# We Tried to Set One Boundary and Lost 40 Family Members with Jon and Ashley Lefrandt

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Podcast: [CALLING HOME with Whitney Goodman, LMFT](https://stenobird.com/podcast/calling-home-with-whitney-goodman-lmft-6607974)
Published: 2026-08-04T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

If you've spent time in the estrangement conversation online, you've noticed how fast it flattens into two camps: the people who cut off and the people who got cut off. Ashley and Jon Lefrandt have lived on both sides of that line. The couple behind Leave Then Cleave joins Whitney to talk about what happened when they asked for space from one family member and ended up estranged from 40 family members. Together they explore what it looks like to hold onto your faith when your faith is the thing being used against you. In this episode, you'll learn: - How honor thy father and mother gets used to override every other thing a person believes - Why a family system escalates when one person stops complying - What words like grace, forgiveness, and reconciliation actually mean, and who tends to be the one insisting on them - How to keep a faith that has been weaponized against you Connect with Ashley and Jon Lefrandt Leave Then Cleave: https://www.leavethencleave.com/ Jon and Ashley’s Book: https://amzn.to/4fUGi4J Whitney Goodman is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT) and the founder of Calling Home, a membership community that helps people navigate complex family dynamics and break harmful cycles. Have a question for Whitney? Send a voice memo or email to whitney@callinghome.co Join the Family Cyclebreakers Club: https://callinghome.co Follow Whitney on Instagram | sitwithwhit Follow Whitney on YouTube | @whitneygoodmanlmft Order Whitney's book, Toxic Positivity: https://sitwithwhit.com/toxic-positivity Sign up for updates on Whitney's new book: https://cmnyyv4kpyt.typeform.com/to/PHMzjy0o This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health advice. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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