# The Courage to Differ Graciously (with Brian McLaren) | Ep. 62 Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62 Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62.md Podcast: [Cabernet and Pray](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447) Published: 2025-12-17T12:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149132925 Audio file: https://app.kajabi.com/podcasts/medias/2149132925.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/episodes/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62 Duration seconds: 4200 ## Resource What if the real spiritual crisis isn’t disagreement, but how we disagree? In this episode, we explore why certainty has replaced curiosity and why faith so often becomes brittle instead of beautiful. We see what happens when winning arguments matters more than loving people. This isn’t a call to “be nicer,” but a challenge to examine how fear shapes our theology and fractures our communities—and whether following Jesus should make us better at holding tension, not worse. This conversation invites you to practice a courage the church desperately needs right now: the courage to differ graciously. Watch the episode on video:  https://youtu.be/X7EQxCRjyyM ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in   Links: Brian's website:  https://brianmclaren.net/ Faith After Doubt:  https://amzn.to/4qgymys   ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/episodes/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447/the-courage-to-differ-graciously-with-brian-mclaren-ep-62.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.