# Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58

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Podcast: [Cabernet and Pray](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447)
Published: 2025-10-22T12:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

What happens when Christianity gets weaponized for political gain? When culture wars hijack the gospel of love? In this episode, we unpack John Fugelsang's book,  Separation of Church and Hate,  exploring why following Jesus might actually mean breaking up with some forms of Christianity. Pour a glass, lean in, and let’s talk about what it really means to love God and neighbor in an age of outrage. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in   Save your seat for the AZ Tasting Event on October 27th:  https://communionwineco.com/events/az-tasting-event/   Links: Get John's book:  https://amzn.to/4qnnyiD John's podcast:  https://www.johnfugelsang.com/podcast   John on Substack:  https://johnfugelsang.substack.com/  

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