# One Nation Over God (with Wes Crawford) | Ep. 77

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Podcast: [Christianity After Deconstruction: Cabernet and Pray](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447)
Published: 2026-07-15T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/christianity-after-deconstruction-cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149231177
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## Resource

Every civilization in history put a temple at its center. America was the first to try to build a nation without one, and Wes Crawford argues that we couldn't stand the empty space, so we made the country itself sacred. The church historian and author of One Nation Over God walks through how the Constitution became scripture, how kneeling during an anthem became sacrilege, and how voting the wrong way became something close to heresy. Wes points toward a different way of loving a country, the kind that lets you critique it from the inside, the way John Lewis did crossing the bridge at Selma. He'll also tell you about the finest glass of wine he ever had, which he never actually drank. If you've felt the pull of American faith and never had words for what was happening, this conversation hands them to you. Watch the episode on video:  https://youtu.be/MfrBF0wjEAk   ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside , is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide . It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in   ----------------- Links:  Wes' new book:  https://amzn.to/4fAPlc3 Wes' Instagram account:  https://www.instagram.com/wescrawford325/  

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