# Finding Beauty in Distinctions (with Bethany Cseh) | Ep. 71

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Podcast: [Cabernet and Pray](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447)
Published: 2026-04-22T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149197292
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## Resource

Bethany Cseh is a pastor who spent years standing at a pulpit she wasn't sure she was allowed to occupy, internally justifying each sermon as something other than what it actually was. That tension turned out to be the beginning of a longer, stranger education. In this episode, Bethany joins Jeremy to talk about co-pastoring two completely different churches with her husband, what happened when they tried to merge them into one service, and the counterintuitive theology that emerged from the wreckage: that God is revealed more fully through our distinctions than despite them. They also get into merit badge theology, walking as a spiritual practice, and why John Piper is the last person you want picking out a wine for you. Watch the episode on video:  https://youtu.be/ZpURVmhmfyc   ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside , is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide . It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  

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