# Cathedrals of Connection (with Matt Mattson) | Ep. 64

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Podcast: [Cabernet and Pray](https://stenobird.com/podcast/cabernet-and-pray-6576447)
Published: 2026-01-14T12:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/podcasts/cabernet-and-pray/episodes/2149148345
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## Resource

What if the most sacred spaces in your life aren’t churches at all, but ordinary moments of shared humanity? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, Jeremy sits down with author and spiritual guide Matthew G. Matson to explore Cathedrals of Connection—a vision of faith that shifts holiness away from institutions and back into the space between people. Over a glass of wine, they talk about decentering programs, resisting performative spirituality, and rediscovering God in silence, conversation, parenting, travel, and the everyday rhythms we usually rush past. It’s an honest and gently subversive conversation for anyone who senses that Christianity has lost something vital—and wonders if connection itself might be where the divine has been hiding all along. Watch the episode on video:  https://youtu.be/TagcIay1C5Y   ----------------- Want to read my upcoming book BEFORE it comes out on March 31, 2026? Be a part of our book launch team and get early access: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/book-launch-page Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone.   https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  

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