# Why We Need More Empathy - Not Less

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Podcast: [Byline Times Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/byline-times-podcast-555132)
Published: 2026-08-09T06:36:00+00:00
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## Resource

Is the west suffering from too much empathy? The argument has been advanced by Gad Saad in his New York Times best seller Suicidal Empathy: Dying to Be Kind , where he argues that excessive empathy from the political left is leading society down a self destructive path. But there is another perspective which argues that we need more empathy not less. Adrian Goldberg hears from Vaughan Smith - a war correspondent and one of the founders of London’s Frontline Club - whose new book The Extraction Pattern stands as a rebuttal of Gad Saad. Produced in Birmingham by Adrian Goldberg and Harvey White. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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