# Apple robs Google, Joe Gebbia goes to the White House, and Ikea's CEO on what matters more than profit

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Podcast: [By Design](https://stenobird.com/podcast/by-design-7364788)
Published: 2026-01-27T10:03:00+00:00
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## Resource

It’s a packed first episode of the year at By Design and we have a big guest: Ikea’s Juvencio Maeztu gives his first major interview since taking over as CEO. It’s a deep, candid conversation about his philosophy on affordability, life at home, and how Ikea’s business structure allows it to have motives that aren’t all about profit. But first, the news: We go deep on global design editor Mark Wilson’s profile of Joe Gebbia, Airbnb’s design co-founder who now begins his new role as the nation’s chief design officer. Gebbia is now tasked with reshaping the government in President Trump’s image. Mark and senior editor Liz Stinson also talk about Apple’s major deal with Google to use Gemini for Siri and Apple Intelligence products, a major victory for a company trailing in the AI race. We’ll also talk about a trend you might not realize you're seeing: meme wear. And to close the show, producer Cody Nelson joins for Hot or Not. Mentioned this time: Honda 2.0, brick-and-mortar Turbo Tax, new Legos, a pen lamp, and more.

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