# Trump’s Iran Disaster Is Reshaping the World (w/ Robert Kagan) | Bulwark on Sunday

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Published: 2026-09-20T16:51:02+00:00
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Bill Kristol talks with Robert Kagan about how Trump’s Iran war is accelerating America’s retreat from the world, leaving allies to fend for themselves while China and Russia gain room to maneuver. They also discuss Trump’s unfinished ambitions in Greenland, Xi Jinping’s visit to Washington, and Kagan’s warning that the breakdown of the postwar order could move much faster than Washington is prepared for.

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