# Politicians Loved Data Centers. Now They’re Running Away From Them. (w/ Nathaniel Rich)

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Podcast: [Bulwark Takes](https://stenobird.com/podcast/bulwark-takes-7201724)
Published: 2026-08-30T20:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://audioboom.com/posts/8946981
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Duration seconds: 1779

## Resource

Tim Miller talks with author and Tulane professor Nathaniel Rich about climate change, the growing backlash to data centers, their security and privacy risks, and Rich’s new novel, Cloudthief. They also discuss public anxiety about AI and technology, the appeal of scams and get-rich-quick thinking, and how people navigate a future that increasingly feels uncertain. Buy Cloudthief: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374619794/cloudthief/

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