# Nobody Believed Orbán Could Lose. Then It Happened. (w/ H. David Baer)

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Podcast: [Bulwark Takes](https://stenobird.com/podcast/bulwark-takes-7201724)
Published: 2026-05-03T14:56:27+00:00
Episode link: https://audioboom.com/posts/8898586
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Duration seconds: 2363

## Resource

H. David Baer joins Bill Kristol for Bulwark on Sunday to discuss the lessons of Hungary. Read Baer's article in The Bulwark Tickets for our Bulwark Live shows in San Diego and Los Angeles in May

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