# 4. Steve and Winifred Boggs: Waking Down, Not Up — Ordinary People, Real Awakening

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Podcast: [Buddha at the Gas Pump](https://stenobird.com/podcast/buddha-at-the-gas-pump-167710)
Published: 2010-03-06T04:22:00+00:00
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We feel like we live a pretty ordinary life, yet in our 54-year marriage and in our working lives (Steve's a retired electrical contractor and Winifred is an artist and poet) grace, challenge and transformation play themselves out in endless variety. Transcript of this interview Interview recorded 12/9/2009. YouTube Video Chapters: 00:00:00 - Introduction and Definition of Spiritual Awakening 00:05:21 - Commissioned Paintings and Intuitive Portraits 00:09:56 - The Awakening Experience 00:15:16 - The Universal Experience of Enlightenment 00:19:02 - A Journey of Spiritual Seeking 00:24:38 - Discovering Limitless Consciousness 00:30:22 - The Nature of Awakening 00:35:50 - Housecleaning: Waking Down, Shake Down 00:39:27 - Spontaneous Awakening and Personal Growth 00:42:26 - The Spiral of Personalized Wounds 00:44:59 - The Healing of the Core Wound 00:48:01 - Awakening in the Midst of Crisis 00:50:27 - The Perfect Silence of Life 00:52:52 - The Embodied Awakening 00:55:18 - Differences in Awakening Experiences and Mutuality 00:58:10 - Exploring Waking Down Organization 01:01:27 - The Essence of Love and Non-Separateness 01:04:24 - The Sun and the Clouds 01:07:30 - Preparation and Refinement in Spiritual Practice 01:10:13 - Self-Realization and the Desire for Peace 01:13:10 - Raw and Direct Emotions 01:16:13 - Compassion and Vulnerability 01:18:40 - Evolving Priorities and the Desire to Serve 01:20:46 - Meaningful and Deep Conversations with People 01:22:21 - Emotional Reactions to Movies 01:23:34 - The Same Kind of Satisfaction 01:24:21 - The Same Kind of Satisfaction 01:25:08 - The Same Kind of Satisfaction 01:26:27 - Fulfillment and Desire 01:28:47 - Reactions and Trust in Social Situations 01:31:39 - Participate in the Show Save Save

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