# Working Hard Won't Make You Safe | Author Interview with Nataly Kogan

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Podcast: [Brushwood Media Network](https://stenobird.com/podcast/brushwood-media-network-6565517)
Published: 2026-07-18T05:18:55+00:00
Episode link: https://www.brushwoodmedianetwork.com
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## Resource

When are you planning to be happy? After the launch, after the next hire, once the business can run without you? Thought so. Nataly Kogan is a former tech CEO + author of Happier Now. Written as an antidote to the work-till-you-drop culture that flattened her. We discuss how burnout has become a badge of belonging in some industries, how an immigrant childhood can create a perfect storm for overwork + the one thing Nataly would change about the book eight years on. And Nataly gives us two small practices to start today - one of which she initially thought was ridiculous. Look for more in the Author Interview strand. Books discussed in this episode: Happier Now - Nataly Kogan Nataly’s Website: www.natalykogan.com ==== If you’d like my help with your Business go to www.lizscully.com/endlessClients ==== And don’t forget to get your reading list of the 10 essential reads for every successful biz owner - these are the books Liz recommends almost on the daily to her strategy + Mastermind clients. This isn’t your usual list of biz books, these answer the challenges you’ve actually got coming up right now. Helpful, quick to read and very timely.

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