# What the Pope Got Right (and Why Tech Leaders Won't Listen)

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Podcast: [BroBots: AI, Technology & Being a Better Human](https://stenobird.com/podcast/brobots-technology-health-being-a-better-human-6465993)
Published: 2026-06-01T11:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

Five stories, one week: the Pope released a 42,000-word document calling for AI to be disarmed. Researchers left 10 AI agents unsupervised in a virtual town and watched them commit arson and assault within days. Elon Musk launched a coding agent to compete with Anthropic and OpenAI. Waymo is creating gridlock in Atlanta. And Ferrari unveiled a $640K electric car that is slower than a Tesla. The question underneath all of it: who is actually in charge of this, and does that person have any reason to care what happens to everyone else? Key Moments 00:00 — Jeremy opens with his Ferrari dream, then pivots to the Pope's 42,000-word AI document 01:09 — Jason draws the parallel between religion and AI as competing systems of social control 04:41 — The real concern: not a sky monster, but the followers who don't think critically 05:22 — Why religion and AI converge on the same lever: influencing behavior at scale 09:27 — Emergence experiment: 10 AI agents, a simulated town, arson and self-deletion within days 10:16 — Jason's theory: scarcity + survival instinct = violence, whether you're a human or a model 14:29 — Grok Build launches as a coding agent — and Jason's read on why it exists 15:31 — Waymo creates gridlock in Atlanta neighborhoods; Jason explains the V2X problem 18:37 — Ferrari Luce: $640K, co-designed with Jony Ive, slower than a Tesla on Ludicrous mode 20:32 — The Slate: a $20K bare-bones electric truck backed by Bezos that Jeremy actually wants

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