# Clove's Nick Sanetra On Funnel Diagnostics: Find The Hole In The Bucket Before Optimizing Conversion

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Podcast: [Brilliant Commerce](https://stenobird.com/podcast/brilliant-commerce-7086880)
Published: 2025-11-19T16:24:58+00:00
Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/front-lines-studios85/episodes/Cloves-Nick-Sanetra-On-Funnel-Diagnostics-Find-The-Hole-In-The-Bucket-Before-Optimizing-Conversion-e3e0qv7
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Nick Sanetra has spent nearly 20 years identifying what he calls "holes in the bucket." As Director of Marketing at Clove, a footwear brand purpose-built for healthcare workers on 12-hour shifts, Nick deploys a methodical diagnostic process to pinpoint exactly where prospects fall out of the funnel. His approach relies on unglamorous fundamentals that actually work: post-purchase surveys revealing that over 70% of buyers are switching off major running shoe brands, systematic monthly and year-over-year cohort analysis to separate signal from noise, and a team philosophy of "strong beliefs, loosely held" that values intellectual curiosity over ego. The real value emerges in how Clove operates in today's fractured attribution environment. With anonymous sessions climbing and pixel-perfect tracking dead, Nick shares how they've rebuilt their measurement stack around Triple Whale for MTA, maintained Google Sheets as a surprisingly resilient BI layer, and weaponized post-purchase survey data as a second opinion that cuts through platform attribution bias. His "mountain climber method" for testing (keep three points of contact stable, occasionally release one hand for a bold move) offers a pragmatic framework for teams caught between incremental CRO and swinging for breakthrough creative. Topics discussed: Building a diagnostic process to systematically identify drop-off points through monthly cohort analysis and year-over-year pattern recognition Deploying post-purchase surveys as an attribution counterweight to platform self-reporting (uncovering that 70%+ of Clove customers actively switch from Hoka, Nike, and other running brands) Transitioning from Google Analytics as single source of truth to multi-touch attribution via Triple Whale while maintaining Google Sheets for…

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