# Ep. 489 Michael Fraser Explains the Pentagon Decision to Dump Claude

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Podcast: [Bob Murphy Show](https://stenobird.com/podcast/bob-murphy-show-550403)
Published: 2026-03-12T13:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.bobmurphyshow.com/ep-489-michael-fraser-explains-the-pentagon-decision-to-dump-claude
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Duration seconds: 5798

## Resource

Michael Fraser is a business consultant on leading LLMs, with an extensive knowledge of praxeology. He joins Bob to discuss the Pentagon's decision to sever ties with Anthropic and even designate them a supply chain risk.

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