# Eric Ries: Incorruptible, and the Case for Long-Term Governance Reform

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Podcast: [Boardroom Governance with Evan Epstein](https://stenobird.com/podcast/boardroom-governance-with-evan-epstein-369130)
Published: 2026-03-31T12:30:00+00:00
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## Resource

Eric Ries, author of The Lean Startup and founder of the Long-Term Stock Exchange, joins the podcast to discuss his new book Incorruptible. We explore why so many governance systems fail to support long-term thinking, the concept of "financial gravity," and what genuinely reform-minded governance could look like, from AI governance, public benefit corporations, to "mission-locked constellations."

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