# Designing Beyond the Chatbot

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Podcast: [Boagworld: UX, Design Leadership, Marketing & Conversion Optimization](https://stenobird.com/podcast/boagworld-ux-design-leadership-marketing-conversion-optimization-1074603)
Published: 2026-07-21T11:00:00+00:00
Episode link: https://boagworld.com/season/rebooted/episode/36/
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## Resource

Josh Clark and Veronika Kindred explain how AI changes the material, interfaces, and responsibilities of design.

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