# Red Light vs. Big Pharma: Lasers for Fertility, Migraines, and Menopause with Forrest Smith of Kineon

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Podcast: [Biohacking with Brittany](https://stenobird.com/podcast/biohacking-with-brittany-783841)
Published: 2025-12-08T10:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Forrest Smith, founder and CEO of Kineon (code: BIOHACKINGBRITTANY), talks about what actually happens inside your cells, joints, gut, and brain when you use targeted red and near-infrared laser therapy. We unpack how the MOVE+ Pro and Kineon's new gut–brain protocols are being used for thyroid health, chronic pain, C-section scars, migraines, fertility, and even long-term brain health. As a postpartum mom who uses the MOVE+ on my C-section scar and lower back, this episode is very personal. Forrest shares specific protocols, how to avoid NSAID overuse, why dosing and depth of light matter, and early research on using lasers for menstrual pain, endometriosis, and infertility. Join my 12 Holiday Rituals Giveaway for a chance to win part of $5,500+ USD in wellness prizes. Open until December 24th! WE TALK ABOUT: 05:10 - How Forrest habit-stacks Kineon into his morning routine for cardiovascular and immune health 10:05 - Gut mucosal healing, leaky gut, and how lasers support tight junctions and reduce systemic inflammation 13:30 - Lasers vs LED panels and masks, and why depth and dosing matter for joints, brain, and organs 17:20 - The ideal daily protocol: How many minutes, how often, and how to habit-stack for long-term consistency 21:50 - Acute injury recovery: What to do in the first week after a fall, sprain, or sports injury 27:05 - The hidden cardiovascular risks of chronic NSAID use and why "just taking Advil" is not benign 29:30 - Migraine protocols, laser placements, and why photobiomodulation can outperform pharmaceuticals 35:25 - C-section and surgical scars: when to start, how long to treat, and what to expect months or years later 39:50 - Fertility trials, systemic inflammation, and laser protocols that changed pregnancy outcomes 43:20 - The future: deeper or…

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