# The Human Cost of Our Energy Dependence

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Podcast: [Better Than Yesterday with Osher Günsberg](https://stenobird.com/podcast/better-than-yesterday-with-osher-g-nsberg-169472)
Published: 2026-05-03T23:13:40+00:00
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## Resource

Mark Wales is a former SAS commander, two-time Survivor competitor, bestselling author, and one of the most quietly compelling guests I’ve ever had around. If you’ve ever wondered what we actually ask of the men and women we send to war (or to secure more oil), and whether we’re honest enough about the answer, this one’s for you LINKS   Listen to the full conversation with Mark here Check out Mark's autobiography Survivor and novel Outrider Sign up to the Better Than Yesterday newsletter Watch episodes of Better Than Yesterday on YouTube Watch full stories recorded live at Story Club  on YouTube Get tickets for our next Story Club show Get Osher's latest book "So What? Now What?" here Send a pic of what you're looking at to sendosheremail@gmail.com   LIKE THIS EPISODE? CHECK THESE OUT... Resetting Your Idea of Success with Brandon Jack What's Your Why? Unpacking motivation and purpose with Sam Wood The Biggest Lessons on Life from Those Who've Nearly Died with Dr Matt Morgan See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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