# Mark Leonard

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Podcast: [Better Known](https://stenobird.com/podcast/better-known-789694)
Published: 2026-06-14T16:09:47+00:00
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## Resource

Mark Leonard discusses with Ivan six things which should be better known. Mark Leonard is Co-Founder and Director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, the first pan-European think-tank. His new book is Surviving Chaos: Geopolitics When The Rules Fail, which is available at https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=surviving-chaos-geopolitics-when-the-rules-fail--9781509575220 . Xi Jinping’s “Great Changes Unseen in a Century”, an understanding that the next few years will be characterized by the need to survive chaos rather than preserving or building order. Bicycling through big cities - London, New York, Paris, Berlin Zaho de Sagazan - a brilliant singer-songwriter and performer who is bringing French chanson into the electronic age George Soros’s philosophy - the billionaire investor and philanthropist is best known for making money but just as important is his understanding of how to live in a world that is out of balance Drummond Street in North London, the home of the best South Indian restaurants in Europe Neil Kinnock - the greatest political orator of my life-time who reinvented the Labour Party and is now campaigning for Britain to join the EU. This podcast is powered by ZenCast.fm

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