# The Edition: Was Brexit worth it – and can Burnham save Britain?

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Published: 2026-06-18T23:05:00+00:00
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For this week’s  Edition , William Moore is joined by the  Spectator ’s assistant editor Isabel Hardman and the editor of  The New Statesman  Tom McTague. Plus, in a special episode this week, the  Spectator ’s economics editor Michael Simmons joins for the first half of the episode, before political editor Tim Shipman jumps in later on. This week: was Brexit worth it? As we approach the tenth anniversary of the vote to leave the European Union, the  Spectator ’s editor – and former prominent Vote Leave campaigner – Michael Gove makes the case that not only was Britain right to leave, but it has benefitted from leaving. The past decade however has been marked by domestic political chaos, so to what extent was Brexit a symptom or a cause of deeper problems with the British state? Tom argues that whatever your thoughts on Brexit itself, most people in Britain – including in Makerfield – feel nothing has changed; it has been a ‘damp squib’. The author of  Between The Waves , which charts the decision to Leave back to the Second World War, explains that while Brexit might not have been inevitable, there was always going to be a reckoning for Britain’s contradictory relationship with Europe. Brexit has undoubtably destabilised politics but, with a decade of chaos since, does that mean that Brexit has failed – or has the state failed?  Also: to what extent is the Labour leadership saga connected to Brexit? Is it a symptom of the post-Brexit period, or was British politics always heading for instability? The group discuss where it all went wrong for Keir Starmer, from winter fuel to the welfare rebellion, and whether Andy Burnham will be able to succeed where Starmer failed. As the polls close in Makerfield…

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