# The Disruptor's Dilemma | Shawn Kanungu

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Podcast: [Barney's Tavern](https://stenobird.com/podcast/barney-s-tavern-7770794)
Published: 2026-05-21T15:10:16+00:00
Episode link: https://share.transistor.fm/s/61221acf
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## Resource

Shawn Kanungu is one of the world's most sought-after voices on innovation and AI. He spent 12 years at Deloitte advising Fortune 500 leaders on disruption before going independent, and is the bestselling author of The Bold Ones — a book McKinsey calls essential reading for decision-makers. Forbes named him the best virtual keynote speaker they'd ever seen.Chris LaBossiere sits down with Shawn to talk about what's actually being disrupted right now, why "high agency" may be the defining trait of this decade, and why the gap between leaders who are all-in on AI and those still dabbling is widening every day. They get into the future of professional services, what it means to raise resilient kids in a comfortable life, and why the real threat of AI isn't to jobs — it's to identity.A candid, wide-ranging conversation about disruption, work, and what comes next.

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