# Quite Frankly Ep. 52: Leo Zagami on MK Ultra, the Vatican's UFO Files & Cyber Satan

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Podcast: [Badlands Media](https://stenobird.com/podcast/badlands-media-6674661)
Published: 2026-05-15T02:15:35+00:00
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## Resource

Frank welcomes back the prolific Leo Zagami, author of the Confessions of an Illuminati series, for his 2026 debut on the show. They open on the not-quite-a-raid at Tulsi Gabbard's ODNI office, the year-long CIA standoff over MK Ultra and COVID-era documents, and whether next month's hearing will actually pry anything loose. From there it's straight into Leo's lane. His upcoming book, The Vatican's Top Secret Alien Agenda, sits at the center of the conversation, and he previews quite a bit: a 1933 UFO retrieval in Italy, Mussolini, Guglielmo Marconi's suppressed death ray, Jesuit astronomers as the real movers of UFO disclosure, and his claim that popes have had encounters of the second and third kind. He also walks through gatekeepers in the modern UFO movement and why interdimensional is the wrong word for what Timothy Alberino calls extradimensional. Then it gets darker: cyber Satan, the Order of Nine Angles, the corruption of the right of exorcism after Vatican II, Father Amorth, and King Charles announcing digital ID from the throne. Frank closes solo with thoughts on tech bros, the meek inheriting the earth, and a baby coconut on the way.

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