# Culture of Change Ep. 151: Culture of Space - Part 2

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Published: 2026-06-16T02:14:23+00:00
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## Resource

Part two of Ashe's conversation with Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Steven L. Kwast picks up where Space Revolution Ep. 22 left off, and this time they go further out. Literally. From China's 30-year plan to dominate the space economy to SpaceX's Earth-to-Earth rocket that can get you from LA to Singapore in under 20 minutes, this episode is equal parts geopolitical reality check and genuine wonder. Kwast explains why China is building battleships while America builds better buoys, what a livable space habitat actually looks like, and why Elon Musk's "future of human consciousness" comment still bothers Ashe. The answer, as always, is not a technology problem. It is a moral one.

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