# The No Treason Podcast Ep. 44: Poverty's Illegal Cause

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Podcast: [Badlands Media](https://stenobird.com/podcast/badlands-media-5934327)
Published: 2026-08-31T07:51:27+00:00
Episode link: https://badlandsmedia.podbean.com/e/the-no-treason-podcast-ep-44-povertys-illegal-cause/
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## Resource

Jonathan Drake kicks off a brand new series, tackling Spooner's dense essay "Poverty, Its Illegal Cause and Legal Cure." Born out of Spooner's own brutal experience losing everything in the Panic of 1837, this essay argues poverty isn't natural scarcity, it's an artificial deprivation created when contracts get manipulated by a judiciary that either misunderstands natural law or willingly ignores it. Expect a deep dive into freedom in banking, the true nature of debt, and why "equal distribution of wealth" here has nothing to do with Marxism despite how it might sound on the surface. Jon also lays groundwork for a genuinely compelling Bitcoin connection, framing proof of work versus proof of stake as a real world natural law versus artificial barrier showdown. Sprinkled throughout are stories about roly polys, a butterfly named after a Spartan admiral, and a spirited debate about whether chartreuse has always been green.

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