# Space Revolution Ep. 34: Grounded in Space

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Podcast: [Badlands Media](https://stenobird.com/podcast/badlands-media-5934327)
Published: 2026-09-03T01:01:04+00:00
Episode link: https://badlandsmedia.podbean.com/e/space-revolution-ep-34-grounded-in-space/
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## Resource

Jonathan Drake joins Chris Ponder and Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Steven L. Kwast this week to dig into natural law, the idea that God built physical rules for the universe and equally binding rules for human relationships, and why ignoring either one tends to end badly. Jonathan brings a research background on pattern and structure that pairs surprisingly well with Chris's information framework, and the conversation wanders through some genuinely fun territory: intuitive facial symmetry, a childhood aversion to cartoons, and a memorable bit about souls, planets, and gain of function jokes that somehow ties back to the bigger mission. Kwast keeps steering things back to the practical goal, building a tool ordinary people can actually use to separate truth from lies. Expect deep thinking, a little humor, and a reminder that none of this technology means anything without moral grounding underneath it.

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