# No Treason Podcast Ep. 39: Justice Is Natural

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Podcast: [Badlands Media](https://stenobird.com/podcast/badlands-media-5934327)
Published: 2026-07-20T02:01:13+00:00
Episode link: https://badlandsmedia.podbean.com/e/no-treason-podcast-ep-39-justice-is-natural/
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## Resource

Jonathan Drake picks up right where the outrage over Justice Joseph Story left off, then zooms out to a bigger question: is justice actually real, or just a comforting story we tell ourselves? Using Spooner's chapter two "if then" logic (plus a detour through gravity, unicorns, C.S. Lewis, and the Godhead), Jon makes the case that justice is as natural as light or tides, not something invented by judges, legislatures, or 0.00000008% of the population picking nine people for life. Along the way expect a takedown of "rule of law" as a euphemism, some pointed thoughts on majority rule versus consent, a Shield of America statement getting the fine tooth comb treatment, and a firewood geometry callback that never seems to go away. It is dense, it is theological, and it is very much Drake being Drake.

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