# The force of good is much stronger than the force of evil, with Kelly Clements - UNHCR Deputy High Commissioner

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Published: 2026-06-16T01:36:00+00:00
Episode link: https://www.un.org/en/awake-at-night/s13-kelly-clements-the-force-of-good-is-much-stronger-than-the-force-of-evil
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From Bangladesh to Kosovo, Syria to Sudan, Kelly Clements has spent more than 30 years helping to save lives during some of the biggest refugee and humanitarian crises in recent times. Now the outgoing Deputy High Commissioner at the UN's refugee agency, UNHCR, she's making an impassioned case for a more humane world. "How can we convince those that continue to wage wars that continue to treat people badly? How can we show what's possible with a little hope, compassion, and more peace? The force of good is much stronger than the force of evil." Global refugee needs are surging as wealthy nations turn away from helping the most vulnerable people on earth. In this episode, Kelly Clements reflects on her deep frustration at the devastating cuts to life-saving UN services, on the lasting power of helping just one person, and shares how the love of her family always gives her strength to serve. Edited transcript, photos, multimedia and more at the AAN website: https://www.un.org/en/awake-at-night/s13-kelly-clements-the-force-of-good-is-much-stronger-than-the-force-of-evil Podcast full video available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm747kvVrPU

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