# Expert IP Lawyer Explains the Legal Chaos Around AI (Copyright, Privacy & Trust)

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Podcast: [Authentic and Agentic with Jayson Manship](https://stenobird.com/podcast/authentic-and-agentic-with-jayson-manship-7593234)
Published: 2025-12-23T12:48:00+00:00
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## Resource

In this episode, Authentic & Agentic Podcast Host Jayson Manship sits down with Brian McGinnis, an intellectual property attorney at Barnes & Thornburg, to unpack the legal chaos surrounding artificial intelligence. They discuss what’s settled, what’s uncertain, and what professionals actually need to know right now. Some of the discussion: The Perplexity vs. New York Times lawsuit and why it matters for AI companies and creators How copyright law applies (or doesn’t) to AI training and outputs What’s real vs. overhyped when it comes to privacy and personal data Why many lawyers and professionals hesitate to use AI—and how trust should really be built The absence of legal precedent in AI, and what that means for the next few years If you’ve ever wondered whether AI is breaking the law, how intellectual property will evolve, or how professionals can responsibly use AI without risking their credibility—this conversation is for you. This isn’t hype or fear-mongering. It’s a grounded, expert-led discussion about where AI law stands today—and where it’s likely headed next.

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