# 250. BaaM & WaaM Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/at-the-table-with-patrick-lencioni-759364/250-baam-waam Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/at-the-table-with-patrick-lencioni-759364/250-baam-waam.md Podcast: [At The Table with Patrick Lencioni](https://stenobird.com/podcast/at-the-table-with-patrick-lencioni-759364) Published: 2025-09-02T09:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://www.tablegroup.com/at-the-table/ Audio file: https://episodes.captivate.fm/episode/a1060181-9a06-4712-a9ea-fbafb53f4981.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/at-the-table-with-patrick-lencioni-759364/episodes/250-baam-waam Duration seconds: 1128 ## Resource How would your workplace culture change if love and service were driving forces? In episode 250 of At The Table, Pat and Cody introduce the concepts of BaaM (Business as a Ministry) and WaaM (Work as a Ministry). They explore how viewing business and work through the lens of service and love can create healthier workplaces and stronger organizations. Whether you’re leading a public company or managing a small team, this conversation will invite how you think about purpose, culture, and results. Topics explored in this episode:  (0:32) Business as a Ministry (BaaM)  * How businesses can be seen as a way to serve others with love, going beyond just the transactional goal of making money (3:10) The Case for Love in Business * Tim Sanders’ book Love Is the Killer App. * How fear-based businesses struggle while love-centered cultures thrive. * The challenge of applying BaaM in public companies. (5:48) Work as a Ministry (Waam) * WaaM can be useful for employees in less purpose-driven organizations. (8:07) Ministry Doesn’t Sacrifice Results * John Gordon’s belief that love fuels high performance. * Love-driven work produces results, but should be pursued because it’s right. This episode of At The Table with Patrick Lencioni is brought to you by The Table Group: https://www.tablegroup.com . We teach leaders how to make work more effective and less dysfunctional. We also help their employees be more fulfilled and less miserable.  At The Table is a podcast that lives at the connection between work life, leadership, organizational health, and culture. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts ( https://apple.co/4hJKKSL ), Spotify ( https://spoti.fi/4l1aop0 ), and YouTube ( https://bit.ly/At-The-Table-YouTube ).  Follow Pat Lencioni on https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-le… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/at-the-table-with-patrick-lencioni-759364/episodes/250-baam-waam/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/at-the-table-with-patrick-lencioni-759364/250-baam-waam.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.