# Ep 12: How Can We Trust AI To Build Software? With Jon Berger

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Published: 2026-06-08T07:30:00+00:00
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Shownotes Title: Navigating AI's Impact on Software Development and Trust O'Reilly author Anne Currie and Mission Critical software expert Jon Berger discuss the question of the moment: how can we entrust AI with the software that underpins everything? Join Anne and Jon as they explore real experiments, strategic implications, and practical steps for leaders in a rapidly evolving tech landscape. Main Topics: The future of AI in software engineering: rapid development and risk management Leadership strategies for integrating AI with team dynamics and trust Fundamental principles in software and life that AI may reshape Practical ways to start using AI safely in development cycles The importance of diversified oversight and multiple 'oracles' in AI deployment In this episode: How AI is changing the long-term landscape of human versus machine-built software Why understanding your unique business context matters in adopting AI tools The significance of experimenting with low-risk AI integrations like code review and testing The evolving concept of trust in AI-generated code and processes Strategic leadership tips: balancing risks, risks awareness, and fostering innovation Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome and episode overview on AI's influence on software creation 01:22 - Transition from human-only to AI-assisted software engineering 02:48 - The importance of understanding your context as a leader 03:46 - Considerations for teams experimenting with AI in development 04:19 - Risks and opportunities in AI-driven software processes 05:50 - How speed and scale shape business decisions in AI-enabled environments 07:12 - The role of leadership in managing AI adoption and team dynamics 08:37 - Critical thinking about AI's impact on team sizes and productivity 10:30 - Market-driven deci…

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