# The New DevOps With Adam Jacob

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Podcast: [Arrested DevOps](https://stenobird.com/podcast/arrested-devops)
Published: 2023-09-07T21:00:10+00:00
Episode link: https://www.arresteddevops.com/the-new-devops/
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## Resource

Adam Jacob, creator of Chef, argues that modern DevOps has failed by prioritizing rigid, factory-like pipelines over real-time human collaboration. He proposes a 'second wave' of tooling that moves beyond automation toward systems that actively facilitate engineering teamwork.

## Highlights
- Main idea: DevOps has transitioned from a collaborative movement to a rigid set of automated pipelines that actually discourage real-time interaction
- Failure mode: The 'software delivery factory' metaphor has sucked creativity out of engineering by replacing human coordination with asynchronous code reviews
- Practical takeaway: Effective DevOps requires tooling that pushes engineers together rather than just automating the handoff between them
- Main idea: The current industry focus on GitOps and CI/CD often ignores the most important metric for high-performing teams: the rate of collaboration
- Failure mode: Attempting to retrofit modern agile practices onto legacy infrastructure processes creates friction and prevents true agility

## Topics

DevOps, Software Engineering, Automation, System Initiative, Infrastructure as Code, Continuous Delivery, Platform Engineering, Collaboration Tools

## Chapters
- 5:25 — The Origins of DevOps: A look back at the early days of operations and the necessity of cross-functional collaboration.
- 9:30 — The Necessity of Collaboration: Why application performance and infrastructure security require deep integration between teams.
- 14:00 — The Rise of Automation: Tracing the history of infrastructure automation from the 1990s to the present.
- 18:25 — The Stagnation of DevOps: Analyzing why a decade of DevOps evolution hasn't significantly improved engineering outcomes.
- 22:55 — Tooling as a Catalyst for Collaboration: The argument that tools must be designed to force engineers to work together, not just apart.
- 27:05 — The Software Factory Problem: Critiquing the pipeline-centric approach that treats engineers like parts in a factory line.
- 31:20 — The System Initiative Vision: Adam Jacob discusses his new work to create a second wave of DevOps tooling.
- 44:25 — Challenging the Status Quo: Why the current state of DevOps is unsustainable and why we must rethink the entire system.

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