# Engineers Are People With Dagna Bieda

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Podcast: [Arrested DevOps](https://stenobird.com/podcast/arrested-devops)
Published: 2022-03-21T04:07:04+00:00
Episode link: https://www.arresteddevops.com/engineers-are-people/
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## Resource

Technical career growth requires shifting focus from individual code contributions to understanding broader business impact and organizational dynamics. Dagna Bieda explains how engineers can move beyond senior roles by developing empathy and 'stepping out of the forest.'

## Highlights
- Main idea: Career advancement beyond senior levels requires a shift from technical execution to understanding the 'forest' of business impact
- Practical takeaway: To improve decision-making, actively surface your assumptions and ask more questions to gather better information
- Failure mode: Overvaluing technical skills while ignoring 'people skills' can lead to a career plateau
- Main idea: Effective leadership involves adopting the perspectives of managers and directors to see how individual projects affect the whole organization
- Practical takeaway: Use empathy as a tool for better collaboration, specifically by understanding the competing priorities of project managers and stakeholders

## Topics

Software Engineering, Career Development, Leadership Skills, DevOps Culture, Professional Growth, Organizational Strategy, Communication Skills, Principal Engineer

## Chapters
- 4:35 — Improving Engineering Collaboration: A discussion on identifying areas where communication and collaboration between engineers and other stakeholders can be improved.
- 8:20 — Taking Accountability for Culture: Exploring how individual engineers can drive culture change by taking personal accountability for collaborative efforts.
- 11:55 — Aligning Engineering and Product Priorities: Contrasting the engineer's focus on bug fixes and features with the project manager's focus on stability and visible progress.
- 15:30 — The Role of Empathy in DevOps: Discussing 'hug ops' and how empathy helps navigate high-pressure situations and conflicting departmental priorities.
- 22:40 — Scaling Beyond Senior Engineering: Why the skills that get you to a senior position are insufficient for reaching principal or distinguished levels.
- 26:40 — The Subconscious of Engineering: An analogy comparing the human subconscious to the background processes of an operating system.
- 30:30 — Connecting Code to Business Value: The importance of understanding how your company generates revenue to better communicate the value of technical refactoring.

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