# Complexity With Michael Stahnke

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Podcast: [Arrested DevOps](https://stenobird.com/podcast/arrested-devops)
Published: 2023-11-09T21:22:53+00:00
Episode link: https://www.arresteddevops.com/complexity/
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## Resource

Modern infrastructure often suffers from unnecessary complexity introduced by solving problems that were already solved decades ago. The discussion explores whether the industry is inventing new tools to manage self-inflicted complexity rather than seeking simpler, more effective alternatives.

## Highlights
- Main idea: We frequently invent new problems and then build expensive, complex solutions to solve them
- Failure mode: Using heavy-duty orchestration like Kubernetes for simple tasks that could be handled with much lighter, more stable tools
- Practical takeaway: The best tool is often the one you don't need; prioritize the simplest architecture that meets your specific scale requirements
- Main idea: The rise of platform engineering is often a response to the internal complexity we have introduced into our own development workflows
- Failure mode: Allowing operational expertise to atrophy in favor of developer autonomy can lead to reinventing the wheel poorly

## Topics

DevOps, Complexity Management, Platform Engineering, Kubernetes, Infrastructure Automation, Site Reliability, Software Architecture, System Administration

## Chapters
- 1:00 — The Platform Engineering Paradox: An exploration of how platform teams use Kubernetes to provide autonomy while managing the underlying complexity.
- 4:30 — Lessons from the Automation Era: Reflecting on early career experiences with system administration and the fundamental drive toward automation.
- 8:00 — Scaling the Simple Approach: Discussing the era of managing a few hundred servers and why simpler methods worked when scale was manageable.
- 15:00 — The Wall of Confusion: Analyzing why misaligned incentives and the 'wall of confusion' persist despite years of DevOps advocacy.
- 18:40 — The Cost of Abstraction: Evaluating the friction introduced by modern debugging workflows, such as the need to launch sidecar pods just to observe a service.
- 25:25 — Over-Engineering the Web: A critique of modern architecture where simple website hosting has become an unnecessarily complex enterprise undertaking.
- 35:50 — Automating the Veneer: Discussing how we often just automate the complex steps of a bad process rather than fixing the underlying complexity.

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