# Saturday Workshop | How do 2s, 5s, and 8s Connect?

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Podcast: [Around the Circle | An Enneagram Channel](https://stenobird.com/podcast/around-the-circle-an-enneagram-channel-86508)
Published: 2026-06-11T14:05:00+00:00
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## Resource

Join us Saturday, June 13th to discuss 369s! : HERE This episode goes some places! In this month's Second Saturday gathering, we explored the Enneagram's Affect Groups (sometimes called Harmony Groups), drawing on the work of David Daniels. The conversation focused on the 2-5-8 triad , often called the Relationists or Rejection Group . Together we explored questions such as: What does it mean to "expect rejection" in relationships? How do Twos, Fives, and Eights offer connection through gifts, service, knowledge, protection, and strength? Why do these types often maintain a small circle of true vulnerability? How do experiences of rejection, betrayal, unmet needs, and emotional exposure shape the way these types connect with others? What is the difference between transparency and vulnerability? How do our instincts (Self-Preservation, Social, and One-to-One) influence the way we seek connection? An idea to hold that may bring clarity to this discussion is this: The term "Rejection" refers to the idea that these types unconsciously assume that their ordinary needs may not be welcomed, so they learn to gain connection by offering something rather than simply showing up with their needs. In classic Enneagram language: Twos reject their own needs and become needed. Fives reject their needs and become self-sufficient. Eights reject vulnerability and become strong. That is somewhat different from the way many people hear the term today. It does not necessarily mean "I expect everyone to reject me." Rather, it points to a developmental stance in which the person concludes: "My needs won't automatically be met, so I must relate through what I can provide." Join Us This Saturday This Saturday we'll continue our exploration of relationship patterns through the lens of the 3-6-9…

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