# 79: Creating Dialogue when Training with Multiple Trainers with Amy Schilz, Cheyenne Mountain Zoo & International Center for the Care and Conservation of Giraffes Page: https://stenobird.com/podcast/animal-behavior-conversations-the-podcast-of-the-abma-6055377/79-creating-dialogue-when-training-with-multiple-trainers-with-amy-schilz-cheyenne-mountain-zoo-international-center-for-the-care-and-conservation-of-giraffes Text version: https://stenobird.com/podcast/animal-behavior-conversations-the-podcast-of-the-abma-6055377/79-creating-dialogue-when-training-with-multiple-trainers-with-amy-schilz-cheyenne-mountain-zoo-international-center-for-the-care-and-conservation-of-giraffes.md Podcast: [Animal Behavior Conversations: The Podcast of The ABMA](https://stenobird.com/podcast/animal-behavior-conversations-the-podcast-of-the-abma-6055377) Published: 2026-07-10T09:00:00+00:00 Episode link: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/theabmapodcast/episodes/79-Creating-Dialogue-when-Training-with-Multiple-Trainers-with-Amy-Schilz--Cheyenne-Mountain-Zoo--International-Center-for-the-Care-and-Conservation-of-Giraffes-e3lrhp9 Audio file: https://anchor.fm/s/d9199a04/podcast/play/122586345/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-6-9%2F8b510b95-a66c-de58-c273-9de3eed6e9fb.mp3 Processing state: not_requested JSON: https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/animal-behavior-conversations-the-podcast-of-the-abma-6055377/episodes/79-creating-dialogue-when-training-with-multiple-trainers-with-amy-schilz-cheyenne-mountain-zoo-international-center-for-the-care-and-conservation-of-giraffes Duration seconds: 3540 ## Resource This episode Amy Schilz, Cheyenne Mountain Zoo & International Center for the Care and Conservation of Giraffes, provides some great learning and advice for creating a three way dialogue when training with multiple trainers. This podcast is a companion to Amy’s presentation at the 2026 ABMA-IAATE annual conference titled “Three Way Communication: Creating Clear Contingencies for Learners Working with Multiple Trainers”. Amy starts the episode by discussing the three way dialogue when training with multiple trainers and how each party is providing cues. The discussion continues with information on how to give control to the animal to start, stop, and continue and the adjustments that we can, and should be making, after an animal says “no”. Finally, Amy explains advice for keeping criterion consistent and effectively planning and discussing all of the various considerations when training with multiple trainers. Stay tuned in for Amy’s "Training Tale" about the success of one of the newer trainers at Cheyenne Mountain Zoo.! For questions or suggestions about the podcast email ⁠ ⁠ abc@theabma.org ⁠ ⁠ and to reach Amy email ⁠ giraffe@cmzoo.org . For more information on the International Center for the Care and Conservation of Giraffes visit these links: Workshops: https://giraffecenter.cmzoo.org/Workshops Conferences: https://giraffecenter.cmzoo.org/Conferences "How To" video shorts: https://giraffecenter.cmzoo.org/Video-Shorts 3:00 Introduction to Amy Schilz 8:00 International Center for the Care and Conservation of Giraffes 14:50 Three Way Communication when training with multiple trainers 18:40 Advice for starting to train with multiple trainers 21:00 How are each party providing cues 30:00 Adjusting what we are doing after an animal says “no” 33:… ## Actions - request_transcript: `POST https://stenobird.com/v1/public/podcasts/animal-behavior-conversations-the-podcast-of-the-abma-6055377/episodes/79-creating-dialogue-when-training-with-multiple-trainers-with-amy-schilz-cheyenne-mountain-zoo-international-center-for-the-care-and-conservation-of-giraffes/transcription-requests` — Idempotently request low-priority transcript generation for this episode. - read_markdown: `GET https://stenobird.com/podcast/animal-behavior-conversations-the-podcast-of-the-abma-6055377/79-creating-dialogue-when-training-with-multiple-trainers-with-amy-schilz-cheyenne-mountain-zoo-international-center-for-the-care-and-conservation-of-giraffes.md` — Read the agent-friendly Markdown representation of this episode resource. A page view does not enqueue transcription. Agents should invoke `request_transcript` explicitly when they need this episode processed. ## Transcript Full transcripts are not published on public pages unless there is a clear rights basis.