# How the CCP Dehumanizes Christians in China | Pastor Bob Fu

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Podcast: [American Thought Leaders](https://stenobird.com/podcast/american-thought-leaders-1056274)
Published: 2026-03-07T21:00:00+00:00
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Pastor Bob Fu was a student leader during the 1989 Tiananmen democracy movement and later led an underground Chinese house church. In 1996, he was imprisoned for “illegal evangelism.” He later fled China and came to the United States, where he founded ChinaAid, a Christian human‑rights organization that documents cases of persecution, provides legal aid, and advocates for religious freedom in China. In this episode, we dive into the escalation of religious persecution in recent years in China, including the growing dehumanization of Christians. Echoing Mao Zedong’s targeting of “five black classes” during the Cultural Revolution, in 2012, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leaders labelled Christian underground churches as one of five new “black classes” or black categories. Fu says that the CCP’s leadership is determined to destroy the positive image that Chinese people have of Christian believers. “Xi Jinping wants to play God,” Fu says. “The Communist Party treats these people as a threat to the regime’s existence. The goal is to eradicate Christian faith from the map of China.” We also discuss a case now at the Supreme Court, Cisco v. Doe, which could have important repercussions for American companies that enable China’s human rights atrocities. Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

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