# E264 - Democracy’s Elite Problem w/ Hugo Drochon

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Podcast: [American Prestige](https://stenobird.com/podcast/american-prestige-4093863)
Published: 2026-09-02T09:00:00+00:00
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Subscribe now for an ad-free experience and all of our episodes. Danny and Derek welcome political theorist and historian Hugo Drochon to the show for a discussion about the tension between democracies and the elites who actually run them. They talk about elites taking turns in power, the 80/20 rule, the iron law of oligarchy, “dynamic democracy” and social change, and how these ideas apply to Trump, foreign policy, and the future of the EU and NATO. Grab a copy of Hugo’s book Elites and Democracy.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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