# E249 - Extraction Behind the Green Transition w/ Thea Riofrancos

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Podcast: [American Prestige](https://stenobird.com/podcast/american-prestige-4093863)
Published: 2026-05-19T14:19:00+00:00
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Subscribe now to skip the ads. Danny and Derek welcome back to the show political scientist Thea Riofrancos to talk about the politics of extraction in the global energy transition. They explore the contradictions of green capitalism, the debate over degrowth and abundance, China’s role in lithium battery production, the history of lithium batteries, green industrial policy, U.S. oil and gas power, popular resistance to data centers and mining, where the Global South falls in renewable supply chains, and the environmental costs of green development. Be sure to grab a copy of Extraction: The Frontiers of Green Capitalism. Don't forget that our weekly livestream is ⁠on our YouTube channe⁠l tomorrow, Wednesday, at 8pm ET! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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