# AP x NonZero - What’s Driving Dario? w/ Robert Wright

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Podcast: [American Prestige](https://stenobird.com/podcast/american-prestige-4093863)
Published: 2026-09-18T01:12:00+00:00
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## Resource

The AP-NonZero collaboration returns! Subscribe now to AP to get a discounted membership to NonZero. The group talks about the recent vibe shift in discourse around AI. What's really going on here? 0:00 Teaser0:46 This episode's surprise vibe shift2:30 Middle East update: Houthis vs. Saudis15:21 What’s really driving Dario (et al.)?25:14 Debating effective altruism’s effectiveness30:18 The trouble with big-tech Kremlinology34:08 Was “learn to code” just sleight of hand?  40:25 Bob’s Fukuyama name drop42:11 Heading to Overtime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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