# Where Intelligence Meets Diplomacy

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Podcast: [American Diplomat](https://stenobird.com/podcast/american-diplomat-9204)
Published: 2026-02-05T11:00:00+00:00
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## Resource

Have you ever heard of the teeny tiny Bureau of Intelligence and Research within the State Department? Pull up a chair, because we have Phil Goldberg and Dan Smith here – both career ambassadors (highest rank in the Senior Foreign Service), and both Assistant Secretaries of State for this small but mighty intelligence service. Have a look under the hood at what may be the coolest job in the world.

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