# Trump-Xi Summit, Benioff: "Not My First SaaSpocalypse," OpenAI vs Apple, Multi-Sensory AI, El Niño

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Podcast: [All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg](https://stenobird.com/podcast/all-in-with-chamath-jason-sacks-friedberg-1015378)
Published: 2026-05-15T21:21:00+00:00
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## Resource

(0:00) Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff joins the show! (1:14) Trump-Xi summit, doing business in China as a US company, impact on Americans and the midterms (18:46) Taiwan, chips, AI models, and peace through trade (31:41) AI's impact on software: What SaaS thrives, what SaaS dies? (47:26) OpenAI is considering suing Apple over failed ChatGPT integration (56:54) Thinking Machines releases real-time model, future of consumer AI, multi-sensory models (1:02:24) Science Corner: Impacts of a historically strong El Nino in 2026 (1:11:40) Anthropic goes after "Dark SPVs" Follow Marc Benioff: https://x.com/Benioff Save Scooter the Dog: https://animalcare.lacounty.gov https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYJZFn0R6oY Apply for Summit 2026: https://allin.com/events Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg https://x.com/altcap Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect Referenced in the show: https://polymarket.com/event/will-china-invade-taiwan-before-2027 https://polymarket.com/event/will-china-invade-taiwan-by-december-31-2027 https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/14/world/asia/china-xi-trump-taiwan-warning.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/13/technology/andreessen-horowitz-politics.html https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYJZFn0R6oY https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/openai-launches-4-billion-ai-134916653.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO53gwuqZUQ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-14/openai-apple-part…

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