# 035 Max Hillebrand: The Habit Governments Fear I All in Bitcoin w/CK

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Podcast: [All In Bitcoin](https://stenobird.com/podcast/all-in-bitcoin-7180799)
Published: 2026-07-22T13:38:10+00:00
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🎙️CK sits down with Max Hillebrand to explore why Bitcoin is “ugly,” why metadata gets people killed, why privacy is a human necessity, and why the real revolution isn’t fighting power. It’s building technologies that make theft unprofitable. 👇 ORDER YOUR BITBOX 02 NOVA BITCOIN ONLY HARDWARE WALLET WITH 5% DISCOUNT https://bitbox.swiss/allinbitcoin or use Code ALLINBITCOIN 👉BTCHEL — Helsinki | Sept 25–26, 2026 https://btchel.com/tickets/ Use code ALLINBITCOIN for 10% off tickets. See you there! 👉Bitcoin++ Gets Paid — Berlin | Oct 1–3, 2026 https://btcplusplus.dev/berlin26 Join us in Berlin! 👉 Follow, like , subscribe and tap the bell to All in Bitcoin for more unfiltered conversations that go where others won’t. 🎧 Available on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, Nostr, and everywhere you listen: https://linktr.ee/allinbitcoin 👇FOLLOW MAX´S WORK: Nostr: max@towardsliberty.com https://towardsliberty.com/ 👇FOLLOW CK & ALL IN BITCOIN: Nostr: allinbitcoin@primal.net [allinbitcoin@iris.to](mailto:allinbitcoin@iris.to) [allinbitcoin@nostrplebs.com](mailto:allinbitcoin@nostrplebs.com) X: @allinbitcoinpod TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Introduction 1:18 Core values 5:12 The importance of deep infrastructure 11:22 Why building private tech is hard 12:49 The cypherpunk movement realized 17:24 Apathy as the enemy of civilization 19:12 The reality of government theft 26:06 Discovering Murray Rothbard 35:44 Methodology of Mises and Menger 46:16 CBDCs and money warehousing 1:01:09 Praxeology and the future of freedom 1:09:00 Conclusion and where to follow DISCLAIMER:All views expressed by me or my guests are solely our own opinions. You should not treat any opinions expressed in this podcast as a specific endorsement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression o…

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