# The USB Problem for AI: Phil Stafford on Agents, Governance, and MCP Risk

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Podcast: [AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ai-security-cyber-risk-and-cloud-strategy-on-cleartech-loop-7397291)
Published: 2026-06-22T23:00:00+00:00
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Short Description Season 3 of ClearTech Loop kicks off with AI security architect Phil Stafford in a practical conversation about AI governance, agent permissions, fractional identity, and why MCP servers may be the next software supply chain risk hiding in plain sight. Episode Description AI agents are moving from interesting experiments into real business environments. That means they are not just answering questions anymore. They are calling tools, touching systems, inher...

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