# AI Security Starts with Education: James McQuiggan on Shadow AI, NHIs, and AI Defense

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Podcast: [AI Security, Cyber Risk, and Cloud Strategy on ClearTech Loop](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ai-security-cyber-risk-and-cloud-strategy-on-cleartech-loop-7397291)
Published: 2026-05-19T09:00:00+00:00
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AI security is not only about policies, tools, and controls. It is also about education. In this episode of ClearTech Loop, Jo Peterson talks with James McQuiggan, founder and CISO of Apparent Security, about shadow AI, non human identities, and what AI defense means as organizations try to keep up with real world AI adoption. James brings the lens of an educator to the conversation. His perspective keeps coming back to how people learn, how they adopt new tools, and why security ...

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