# China's Qwen 3.8 Max DESTROYS Kimi K3?

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Podcast: [AI News Today | Julian Goldie Podcast](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ai-news-today-julian-goldie-podcast-7573784)
Published: 2026-07-20T20:22:35+00:00
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## Resource

Qwen 3.8 Launch: 2.4T Open-Source Model Claims #2 Behind Fable 5 + What It Means for US vs China AIThe episode covers Qwen 3.8’s newly announced launch, described as an open-source model going live soon but currently only usable for coding in mainland China, with the international site not yet offering access. The host highlights its reported 2.4 trillion parameters and Qwen’s claim that it’s among the most powerful models available, second only to Fable 5 and said to beat models like GPT 5.6 and Kimi K3. The video contrasts restricted access to models such as GPT 5.6 and Fable 5 with free, open-source Chinese models like Kimi, which the host says performs exceptionally well in Goldy Bench tests and coding benchmarks. It also discusses Dean W. Ball’s comments on Kimi K3, open-weight risks, and possible future US regulatory pressure on open models.

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