# How Anthropic Uses Claude Fable 5 With Mike Krieger

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Published: 2026-06-10T17:27:38+00:00
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Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as the cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of AI-native product development as head of Anthropic Labs, the team responsible for figuring out what the most capable AI models can do in the hands of real builders.When Krieger first got access to Fable 5 months before its public release, it was exciting and disorienting. “I feel like a total newbie again,” he remembers telling his team. The way he’d been thinking about productivity, strategy, and time management was out of date. The model had outpaced his workflows.Dan Shipper talked with Krieger for AI & I about what it looks like to build with a model as capable as Fable 5, including the new rhythms, challenges, and possibilities it reveals.If you found this episode interesting, please like, subscribe, comment, and share!To hear more from Dan Shipper:Subscribe to Every: https://every.to/subscribeFollow him on X: https://twitter.com/danshipperGet started with Braintrust at https://www.braintrust.dev/ Timestamps:0:03 Introduction1:48 How Fable completely reshaped Mike's workflow4:48 When to use Sonnet versus Fable10:06 What the media tracker Mike built over a weekend reveals about agent-native architecture15:00 The cost to build has collapsed19:03 Is software engineering over?21:48 How Anthropic's engineering teams work today38:39 The mechanics of verification44:39 What people should use the model to build47:24 Dynamic workflowsLinks to resources mentioned in the episode:Mike Krieger on X: https://x.com/mikeykAnthropic Labs: https://www.anthropic.comClaude Code: https://claude.ai/codeEvery: https://every.to Timestamps:0:03 Introduction1:48 How Fable completely reshaped Mike's workflow4:48 When to use Sonnet vs. Fable10:…

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