# EP 45: Grief Doesn’t Define You—It Refines You

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Podcast: [Affirm That Sh!t](https://stenobird.com/podcast/affirm-that-sh-t-7089518)
Published: 2025-09-17T09:00:18+00:00
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Duration seconds: 1799

## Resource

This week on Affirm That Sh!t, I’m joined by Debbie Simmons, and let me tell you—her story is one you won’t forget. Debbie takes us through the raw, unfiltered truth of her high-risk pregnancy with quadruplets, the heartbreak of losing her babies, and the gut-wrenching silence that followed. But she doesn’t stop there. We talk about what it really means to find faith in the middle of devastation, how she turned her pain into purpose, and how trusting the “next best step” led her to adopt nine children and support thousands of families through her work at Anchor Point. Debbie shares the power of writing her babies’ birth and death announcements in her own words, speaking at their memorial service, and reclaiming her voice when grief tried to silence her. This isn’t a story about staying down—it’s about rising, even when the weight of the world tells you not to. Debbie proves that resilience isn’t about erasing the pain, but about turning it into something bigger than yourself. If you’ve ever faced a season where you questioned God, your purpose, or your strength, this conversation is your reminder: you’re not broken—you’re becoming. Connect with Debbie: https://thedebbiesimmons.com/about/

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