# Cloudy with a Chance of Socrates: Aristophanes' Clouds, Part II (Ad Navseam, Episode 210)

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Podcast: [Ad Navseam](https://stenobird.com/podcast/ad-navseam-1368151)
Published: 2026-02-10T12:30:00+00:00
Episode link: https://adnavseam.podbean.com/e/cloudy-with-a-chance-of-socrates-airstophanes-clouds-part-ii-ad-navseam-episode-210/
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## Resource

This week Jeff and Dave conclude their brisk and breezy, dramatic reading through that old comedy standard, the Clouds. Featuring a rich smorgasbord of hilarity, inanity, and some nearly "postmodern" trends and politics, the episode starts out with an homage, a listener's letter, and some outrageous paronomasia: just what Aristophanes ordered! The hi- and lo- jinks then move on to some rather serious business, a debate between Superior Argument and Inferior Argument. Here we see that despite exuberant flatulence, and more than a little bit of invective and vituperation, the old playwright is dealing with deadly serious issues: does might make right? Is rhetoric all there is to law, or is there some abiding and underlying moral structure to the world and human society that populates it? Is it okay for children to beat their parents? What to do with a doddering fool like Strepsiades (Mr. Twisty-turny)? And, can the young like Pheidippides (Horsey Coupon-cutter) be trusted with education and a dangerous tool like logic? Also, tune in to sign up for your chance to win the new Hackett Complete Works of Aristotle, in 2 volumes.

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